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Ray Dalio27 April 2023

How To Prepare For The Changing World Order - Ray Dalio - #620

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Hot Take· 2

Hot Take50:30

Dalio on why he prefers gold to Bitcoin

Dalio says Bitcoin doesn't move reliably in relation to anything, swinging on mood, and he prefers gold because crypto's transactions are easily tracked, it is disliked by governments, and it is a small asset class getting outsized attention. Gold is central banks' third-largest reserve asset after dollars and euros. He holds a little Bitcoin but warns it can fall 80%, which caps how much you can sensibly own.

  • Bitcoin moves on mood, not consistently with any economic environment
  • Its transactions and owners are easy to track and it is disliked by governments
  • Crypto is small: about 30% the size of Microsoft, one stock among many
  • Gold is central banks' third-highest reserve asset after dollars and euros
  • He owns a little but warns of 80% drops, which limits a sensible allocation

cryptocurrency or Bitcoin doesn't move in a reliable way related to almost anything

Ray Dalio · 51:00

its size is about 30 percent of the size of Microsoft and Microsoft is one stock among many stocks

Ray Dalio · 51:30
#bitcoin#gold#crypto#store of value
Hot Take42:00

The US-China rivalry is not a zero-sum game

Dalio argues Americans are too focused on China when the real problems are domestic: debt, crumbling infrastructure and internal division. China losing does not make America win, and everyone loses in war. He sees no reason for military conflict when both countries could simply trade, grow, invent and share inventions, and urges focus on becoming as strong and healthy as possible at home.

  • The biggest problems America faces are its own, not China's
  • China losing does not make America win; everyone loses in war
  • There is no need for military conflict when the two can just trade
  • Both could grow, invent and share inventions to mutual benefit
  • Framing it as zero-sum, as with a TikTok ban, deepens the enemy dynamic

them losing doesn't make us winning everybody loses in wars

Ray Dalio · 42:00

we're projecting too much on the outside world what do we do with China

Ray Dalio · 43:00
#china#geopolitics#zero-sum#trade

Explainer· 7

Explainer05:00

Why demand for the dollar and dollar debt is falling

Dalio explains that holding dollars means holding a debt instrument, and the supply of that debt keeps growing to fund US deficits while demand shrinks. Rising debt issuance, sanctions that freeze dollar-denominated debt, and more trade settling in other currencies all reduce appetite for dollars. The same oversupply dynamic exists in European and Japanese currencies too.

  • A dollar held as reserves is really a dollar-denominated debt instrument
  • US deficits force constant new debt issuance, increasing supply
  • Sanctions that freeze dollar debt reduce foreign willingness to hold it
  • More international trade is settling in non-dollar currencies, so savers hold those instead
  • Europe and Japan face the same too-much-debt problem

when you say I'm holding the dollar you're holding a dead instrument

Ray Dalio · 05:00

the underlying value that those dollars represent isn't increasing but the number of dollars spread across that is

Chris Williamson · 07:30
#dollar#debt#currency#macro
Explainer09:00

Where we sit in the short-term debt cycle

Dalio describes the recession-to-recession business cycle: central banks stimulate credit in a weak economy, buying power lifts activity until inflation forces tightening, then the economy weakens again. Since 1945 there have been twelve and a half such cycles of roughly seven years each. He places the present about halfway through, in the phase where cracks appear and dominoes begin to fall, made worse by the huge debt load.

  • Cycle runs recession, stimulus, credit-driven growth, inflation, tightening, recession
  • Twelve and a half cycles since the 1945 world order began
  • Each lasts about seven years, give or take three
  • We are roughly halfway through, at the tightening-into-cracks stage
  • High outstanding debt makes this downturn harder than normal

since 1945 when the New World Order began we've had 12 and a half of those Cycles

Ray Dalio · 09:30
#debt cycle#recession#credit#central banks
Explainer12:30

Why war favours dominant leaders and peace favours prestigious ones

Chris raises research that ancestral tribes preferred dominant leaders in wartime and prestigious leaders in peacetime, and Dalio agrees the pattern repeats regardless of population size. In war you want a commander everyone follows without debate; the same trait becomes tyrannical in peace. He notes four 1930s democracies chose to become dictatorships in order to fight.

  • Wartime rewards a dominant leader who stands firm and demands obedience
  • Peacetime rewards prestigious leaders; a dominant one turns tyrannical
  • The dynamic holds no matter how large the population grows
  • In the 1930s Germany, Italy, Spain and Japan chose dictatorship to fight
  • Consolidating power is framed as a way to act fast when there is no time to compromise

in times of Warfare more dominant leaders were the ones that were preferred in times of Peace more prestigious leaders were the ones that were…

Chris Williamson · 12:30

in the 1930s you saw four democracies become dictatorships choose to become dictatorships

Ray Dalio · 14:00
#leadership#war#populism#history
Explainer14:30

The common enemy that unites a divided country

Dalio describes a timeless pattern: when a country is internally split, leaders rally support by pointing to a common external enemy. He cites the standing ovation for President Bush after 9/11 as an example of a divided public bonding behind the leader against an out-group.

  • Internal disputes are commonly resolved by finding a foreign enemy
  • A common enemy lets the leader gather support and unite the country
  • 9/11 produced instant unity behind the president as an example
  • Bonding over love of an in-group and hatred of an out-group is the mechanism

it's very very common to try to bring the country together get support by The Leader by having the common enemy

Ray Dalio · 15:00
#geopolitics#populism#psychology#unity
Explainer30:30

How the wealth gap becomes a self-reinforcing cycle

Dalio argues the wealth gap compounds because higher earners can fund their children's education while lower earners cannot, entrenching advantage across generations. He illustrates with Connecticut, where rich Greenwich schools get about $24,000 per student and nearby Bridgeport about $14,000 because education is funded by local tax districts. Historically these gaps widen after industrial revolutions and spark revolutionary reactions.

  • High earners can afford better education for their kids; low earners cannot
  • Education is funded by local tax districts, so poor areas get less
  • Greenwich gets ~$24k per student versus Bridgeport's ~$14k ten minutes away
  • 22% of Connecticut high schoolers dropped out or had high absentee rates
  • New technologies raise the wealth gap and eventually trigger revolutionary reactions

if you earn a lot of money you can afford to take care of your kids education if you don't earn a lot of money…

Ray Dalio · 30:30

Greenwich Connecticut gets about twenty four thousand dollars per student up on the road at Bridgeport they get fourteen thousand dollars a student

Ray Dalio · 28:30
#inequality#education#wealth gap#society
Explainer35:30

Why falling birth rates are an economic burden

Dalio calls demographic decline a real burden because the shrinking young must support the growing old. In China, the one-child policy means a married couple may have four elderly parents to care for with an inadequate social safety net, which saps productivity. He hopes productivity gains, including from robots, can outpace the burden, but that raises a distribution problem.

  • An aging population means fewer young people must support more old people
  • China's one-child legacy leaves couples caring for four elderly adults
  • There is no adequate social program to absorb that cost
  • The burden drains time, money and productivity
  • Automation could offset it but concentrates the gains, creating a redistribution problem

in China with the one child policy a married couple has four old adults that they have to take care of

Ray Dalio · 36:00
#demographics#china#aging#productivity
Explainer45:00

Why Silicon Valley Bank was a worldwide problem, not a local one

Dalio reframes the SVB collapse as a global dynamic. Banks took deposits and bought higher-yielding government bonds; when tightening pushed yields up, those bonds fell in value while payout obligations rose, and the bank went broke. The same mark-to-market hole sits in insurance companies and institutions across Europe and Japan, setting up a choice between higher rates or more money-printing.

  • Banks bought government bonds yielding more than they paid depositors
  • Tightening raised yields, so those bonds fell in value
  • Marking the bonds to market would reveal a widespread calamity
  • The same problem sits in insurers and institutions in Europe and Japan
  • Resolving it forces either higher interest rates or central-bank printing

if you were to Mark those to Market you would have a terrible calamity

Ray Dalio · 46:30
#banking#svb#bonds#monetary policy

Story· 1

Story38:30

The seven million prime-age men who don't want a job

Chris relays Nicholas Eberstadt's finding of about seven million US men aged 22-55 who neither work nor look for work, with only 10% students. On average they spend around 2,000 hours a year on screens, half of it while on prescription medication or recreational drugs, and two-thirds live in homes claiming a disability benefit. It raises hard questions about universal basic income and flourishing under coming automation.

  • ~7 million US men aged 22-55 are out of the workforce and not looking
  • Only 10% of that cohort are students
  • They average roughly 2,000 hours a year on screens
  • Half that screen time is spent on prescription meds or recreational drugs
  • Two-thirds live in homes claiming at least one disability benefit

lurking inside of the low unemployment numbers is this cohort of prime working age men who don't have a job and don't want a job…

Chris Williamson · 39:30
#labour#unemployment#ubi#society

Takeaway· 2

Takeaway57:30

Past a basic level, money doesn't buy happiness — community does

Dalio says that once you have enough money to avoid misery, there is no correlation between wealth and happiness, and the strongest driver of happiness and longevity is having a community. Money has no intrinsic value beyond what it buys, with sharply diminishing marginal returns, so chasing it as a measure of success is, in his words, screwed up. The best things in life, including friends, family and nature, are not expensive.

  • Past the level that avoids misery, wealth and happiness stop correlating
  • Having a community is the highest source of happiness and longevity
  • Community affects longevity more than quitting smoking, alcohol or exercising
  • Money has no intrinsic value and shows steep diminishing returns
  • Most good things, friends, family, nature, are not expensive

past the basic amount of money there is no correlation between the level of money you have and the level of happiness you have

Ray Dalio · 58:00

the highest correlation is do you have a community and that's the highest source of happiness

Ray Dalio · 58:00
#happiness#community#money#wellbeing
Takeaway54:30

How to stay calm when the headlines are chaos

Asked where to find solace, Dalio recommends spending time where there is goodness, harmony and beauty, getting into nature, and meditating, which he says has had a big effect on him. He reframes fear by noting that in most depressions people stay employed and in most wars most people are not harmed, and urges focusing on what you actually need rather than doom-scrolling the financial stories.

  • Spend time in places with goodness, harmony and beauty
  • Get into nature and consider meditation, which Dalio credits highly
  • In most depressions most people stay employed; in most wars most survive
  • Focus on what you actually need: a bed, food, friends, family
  • If the news is affecting you, stop watching it and go for a walk

meditation has had a big effect on me so don't get all stressed about it navigate it well and enjoy life

Ray Dalio · 55:30
#mental health#meditation#nature#resilience