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Kyle Eschenroeder27 June 2020

How To Work Out What You Want To Want From Life - Kyle Eschenroeder - #189

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Hot Take· 2

Hot Take30:30

Fame is addictive and hands your happiness to strangers

Kyle argues fame is among the most addictive things: Adam Smith noted that for those used to public admiration, all other pleasures decay. Seeking fame makes your happiness dependent on the opinions of people who can build you up and tear you down just as fast. Kevin Kelly notes any biography reveals a life that makes a great story is not the life that feels best to live.

  • Adam Smith: after public admiration, other pleasures 'sicken and decay'
  • Fame outsources your happiness to those who can also destroy you
  • Scapegoating shows how fast the crowd tears celebrities down
  • Kevin Kelly: a great-story life is not the same as a great-to-live life

the person who seeks fame is making their happiness largely dependent on the opinions of other people.

Kyle Eschenroeder · 32:00
#fame#reputation#happiness#status
Hot Take55:30

You inherited a spending set point — deprogram it

Chris shares Morgan Housel's idea of an inherited materialist set point, socialised early from family. If your parents were 'keeping up with the Joneses', you absorbed it, and unless you deprogram it you'll chase more forever to feed that desire. The person happy with a walk and a nice meal reaches the same happiness as the five-star Seychelles trip, but has to work far less to get it.

  • Spending/materialist set points are inherited and socialised early
  • Un-deprogrammed, they demand ever-more income to satisfy
  • Equal happiness can come from vastly cheaper experiences
  • Frugality decouples happiness from how much you must earn and work

if you are unable to deprogram that desire, you'd better hope that you get a good performing job that pays a lot of money.

Chris Williamson · 56:00
#consumption#frugality#happiness#conditioning

Explainer· 7

Explainer03:30

Mimetic desire: why you want what everyone around you wants

Kyle explains mimetic desire, the idea originating with sociologist Rene Girard and popularised by Peter Thiel, that we naturally want what those around us want. These copied 'default desires' disconnect us from our actual ones. Thiel used this realisation to switch from a legal career into tech, ending up more aligned with his true values.

  • Mimetic desire originates with Rene Girard, popularised by Peter Thiel
  • We default to wanting what our peers want
  • These defaults disconnect us from authentic desires
  • Thiel's Zero to One credits this insight for his switch from law to tech

we naturally want what those around us want. Um, so those are kind of our default desires.

Kyle Eschenroeder · 04:00
#mimetic-desire#philosophy#thiel#values
Explainer08:30

Why unexamined desires get harder to escape over time

Chris frames unchosen desires as a path of least resistance that compounds into patterns of behaviour, and, like a river, cuts an ever-deeper channel. Left unexamined, redirecting them eventually takes a superhuman effort, as the flow becomes as forceful as Niagara Falls.

  • Emergent desires compound into behaviour patterns
  • Each repetition deepens the channel, like a river
  • The longer you wait, the more superhuman the effort to change
  • Modern freedom of surplus makes designing desires uniquely possible now

like a river, it cuts a path that's ever deeper... it's going to take a superhuman effort in order for me to redirect this flow…

Chris Williamson · 09:00
#habits#path-of-least-resistance#behaviour-change
Explainer21:30

The evidence-backed case for wanting struggle

Kyle marshals research for embracing struggle: a Shell study found employees who retired at 55 died sooner than those who retired at 65; struggle is universal and inescapable; two-thirds of trauma survivors experience post-traumatic growth, differing only by mindset; and adults with more life struggle report greater satisfaction, purpose and originality. Viktor Frankl counts suffering well among only three sources of meaning.

  • Shell study: retire at 55, die significantly sooner than retiring at 65
  • Struggle is universal; embracing it means fighting life less
  • Post-traumatic growth vs breakdown is largely mindset
  • Frankl's three sources of meaning: suffering well, significant work, caring for another

Victor Frankl... considers suffering well to be one of only three sources of meaning in life.

Kyle Eschenroeder · 26:30
#struggle#meaning#resilience#frankl
Explainer22:30

Reframing stress literally changes your body chemistry

Kyle cites Kelly McGonigal's The Upside of Stress: our bodies release different chemicals depending on how we perceive a stressor. Treating stress as bad pumps out a more cortisol-heavy mix; embracing it as healthy releases chemicals that give better energy to overcome obstacles. Chris links this to Sam Harris's thought experiment about post-workout physiology feeling terrifying out of context.

  • Perceiving stress as harmful shifts you toward a cortisol-heavy response
  • Embracing stress releases healthier, more useful energy
  • Sam Harris: identical workout sensations feel like a heart attack out of context
  • Cold exposure reframed from lethal threat to a marker of achievement

our bodies actually release different chemicals depending on how we perceive a stressor.

Kyle Eschenroeder · 22:30
#stress#mindset#physiology#reframing
Explainer48:30

Money is the gasoline, not the road trip

Kyle shares Tim O'Reilly's reframe: treat money like gas on a road trip. Running out is miserable so you must keep the tank reasonably full, but the trip is never about getting gas. He pairs this with Thiel's definite vs indefinite optimists — indefinite optimists in finance chase optionality because they lack a concrete vision of what to build.

  • Tim O'Reilly: money is gas, the trip is not about the gas station
  • Keep the tank full, but don't plan life around refuelling
  • Thiel: definite optimists build specific things; indefinite optimists chase optionality
  • Endless money-collection can signal a failure of imagination

we should think of money as gasoline on a road trip... the trip is not about getting gas at all.

Kyle Eschenroeder · 49:00
#money#wealth#optionality#thiel
Explainer49:30

The frugal heart: enjoy more instead of needing more

Kyle borrows 'the frugal heart' from Zorba the Greek — the ability to enjoy the little things, like a good hike with someone you love, which cost almost nothing. A frugal heart lowers your personal burn rate, creating freedom and choices. Chris adds Morgan Housel's definition of wealth as the Ferrari you didn't buy — the freedom to do what you want, when you want.

  • Frugal heart (from Zorba the Greek) = enjoying life's small things
  • Lower burn rate creates freedom, possibility and choices
  • The point is not to make less, but to liberate yourself from needing more
  • Housel: wealth is the Ferrari you didn't buy; freedom over your own time

the point is to liberate yourself from the unending need for more... it is about enjoying more.

Kyle Eschenroeder · 57:30
#frugality#wealth#freedom#housel
Explainer59:30

Embrace the ordinary: respect your own experience

Kyle argues the obsession with being extraordinary lays a layer of disrespect over your life as it is and gives you an odd relationship with everyone deemed 'not special'. Dropping the need to be special frees you to be more creative, authentic and happy. He anchors this in Kerouac's 'respect your experience', Emerson's 'trust thyself', and Carl Rogers' paradox that accepting yourself is the precondition for change.

  • Chasing extraordinariness disrespects your actual life
  • We tend to want to be special in the same generic ways (rich, famous, powerful)
  • Kerouac: 'respect your experience'; Emerson: 'trust thyself'
  • Rogers: accepting yourself as you are is what lets you change

the curious paradox is that when I accept myself as I am, then I can change.

Kyle Eschenroeder · 65:30
#ordinary#authenticity#self-acceptance#emerson

Story· 2

Story09:30

The executive who 'won at the wrong game'

Chris relays Greg McKeown's story of a hugely successful Silicon Valley executive whose relationship with his teenage son had completely broken down. McKeown called him someone who 'won at the wrong game' — a chilling illustration of dedicating your life to the wrong thing with time you can never get back.

  • Reached the top of the corporate ladder, lost his son
  • Greg McKeown's phrase: 'won at the wrong game'
  • Success by every external measure, failure where it mattered
  • The exact failure the 'what do you want to want' question prevents

that is someone, Greg said, who won at the wrong game.

Chris Williamson · 10:30
#meaning#regret#priorities#family
Story34:30

What Love Island taught Chris about hollow fame

Chris reflects on being on Love Island, where contestants are gifted fame for no real reason — 'selected the same way as lightning selects a victim'. When fame rests on nothing you did or created, losing it leaves you with nothing. He contrasts wanting to be famous for being well known with fame built on a foundation of work you love, which becomes antifragile.

  • Reality-show fame is decoupled from talent or achievement
  • People chase being 'famous for being well known', not for doing something
  • Fame built on nothing collapses to nothing when it fades
  • Fame on a foundation of loved work is antifragile

they were just there and gifted fame for no reason... those who giveth taketh away.

Chris Williamson · 36:00
#fame#identity#reality-tv#antifragile

Tool· 1

Tool54:30

Send long blog posts to your Kindle with one click

Chris recommends the free Send to Kindle Chrome extension for reading long articles like Kyle's post on an e-reader instead of a laptop. It delivers the piece to a Paperwhite with formatting retained, adjustable font size, and the author's name and title kept intact.

  • Free 'Send to Kindle' extension on the Chrome Web Store
  • Turns any long article into a formatted e-reader document
  • Retains formatting, author name and title; adjustable font size
  • One-click way to read long-form off a laptop screen

I used the Send to Kindle Chrome extension to send it onto my Paperwhite and it was delivered with all of the formatting retained.

Chris Williamson · 54:30
#tools#reading#kindle#productivity

Takeaway· 3

Takeaway27:00

Two red pills for type-A go-getters on struggle

Chris offers two prompts. First, your favourite work memories are never the easy days but the 3am finishes and grinds where you barely got it done. Second, if you crave struggle, spend a whole day doing absolutely nothing — no phone, screen, reading, exercise or meditation — and the itch to act will show you struggle from the other side.

  • Best project memories come from the hardest pushes, not easy days (Ben Bergeron)
  • A day of enforced total idleness is its own form of struggle
  • Both map onto choosing a life of struggle over an easy one

The best memories, the ones that you recall, are the 3:00 a.m. finishes... you slept under your desk and you grinded.

Chris Williamson · 27:30
#struggle#productivity#type-a#memory
Takeaway87:00

Run an internal scorecard, not an external one

Kyle draws on Warren Buffett's internal scorecard: measure whether you are executing your own strategy well, rather than external metrics like fund returns, follower count or money. An internal scorecard sustains you through asymmetric work that may not pay off short-term; an external one de-energises you fast. Chris frames it as the mark of someone unflappable, on their own path.

  • Buffett's internal scorecard measures execution of your own strategy
  • External scorecards (followers, money) de-energise on hard, slow work
  • Internal measurement powers you through asymmetric bets
  • Signals resilience: so interested in your own game you ignore games you're not playing

somebody is so interested in their own game that they don't have time to be worried about their score on a game that they're not…

Kyle Eschenroeder · 91:00
#scorecard#buffett#resilience#motivation
Takeaway84:30

Community is the highest-leverage way to shift desires

Kyle names environment as the highest-leverage lever for changing what you want: communities (CrossFit for exercise, worship groups for spirituality), book clubs, your workplace culture, and above all a great partner whose desires are slightly ahead of yours. Chris notes podcasts are a low-friction way to 'spend time' with the kind of people you want to become.

  • Use the mimetic instinct deliberately: choose who you're around
  • CrossFit, worship groups, book clubs shape specific desires
  • A great partner is 'the best life hack' (Ryan Holiday)
  • Podcasts let you spend time with people not in your physical area

anytime there's people involved... that's probably the highest leverage area where we can start shifting our desires.

Kyle Eschenroeder · 86:00
#community#environment#relationships#mimetic-desire