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Mark Normand01 June 2023

Why Is Everyone So Angry All The Time? - Mark Normand - #635

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The myth-busts, hot takes, explainers, and tools worth keeping.

Myth Buster· 2

Myth Buster14:00

The Kaepernick/Nike Hypocrisy Nobody Talks About

Mark points out a glaring double standard: people who praise Nike's Kaepernick ad campaign as a stand against injustice conveniently ignore that Nike's shoes are made in sweatshops. He argues genuine moral consistency would require caring about both issues, but audiences selectively engage only with the parts that let them feel good.

  • Nike's Kaepernick campaign is celebrated as morally courageous while its sweatshop labor practices are ignored
  • Mark: people mentally 'overlook' the sweatshop issue because they're focused on the symbolic imagery (the raised fist)
  • Bringing up the sweatshop angle to a Kaepernick supporter tends to get shut down rather than engaged with
  • This selective moral outrage is framed as the source of Mark's frustration with online discourse

Nike the biggest example of all sweat shops you know we need the Asian fingers to make the shoes and all that and you can…

Mark Normand · 14:00
#hypocrisy#culture-war#corporate-marketing#activism
Myth Buster78:30

Does 'Get Woke, Go Broke' Actually Hold Up Long-Term? The Data Says No... Mostly

Mark shares insight from a friend in e-commerce with real split-test data: ads featuring larger women consistently sell fewer clothes than ads with conventionally fit women. But he and Chris also note that for very large brands like Nike, one controversial campaign (e.g. Kaepernick) tends not to hurt long-term sales or brand positioning once enough time passes — 'get woke go broke' backlash is often short-lived if the product itself is good.

  • Friend's e-commerce split-test data: campaigns using larger-bodied models consistently sell less clothing than ones using conventionally fit models
  • Companies eventually face shareholder pressure to revert to what actually sells when campaigns underperform financially
  • Counterpoint: huge, established brands (e.g. Nike post-Kaepernick) tend to fully recover, because product quality and brand size outlast a single controversy
  • Analysis of the Gillette ad campaign reportedly showed no meaningful long-term negative impact on the brand's positioning

so when you look at Victoria Secret someone that's trying to undo their CIS heteronormative patriarchal misogynistic presuppositions of what a woman's body shape is…

Mark Normand · 79:00
#marketing#business#advertising#data

Hot Take· 3

Hot Take08:00

Dove's Video Game Ad Is 'Woke Washing', Not Real Advocacy

Mark and Chris dissect a Dove ad campaign about female representation in video games, where an animated superhero removes her armor and gains weight. They argue the campaign feels forced and inauthentic — a form of 'woke washing' where brands monetize virtue signaling to distract from their actual business practices, like where their aluminum or raw materials come from.

  • Dove's ad shows a video-game heroine removing her armor and gaining weight after a fight, framed as female empowerment
  • Mark: brands chasing this trend (Miller Light, Bud Light, Starbucks) all look unoriginal and 'hacky' because everyone is doing the same thing
  • 'Woke washing' defined: allowing brands to monetize virtue signaling to conceal less altruistic business practices (e.g. supply chain, sourcing)
  • Point raised that the Dove ad never once shows or mentions actual soap, undercutting its supposed brand purpose
  • They question why video games specifically are treated as the battleground for female representation

I love the idea of the animator being like the director's like we need her fatter so he's like oh [ __ ] all right…

Mark Normand · 08:30

woke washing is allowing brands to monetize virtue signaling it conceals the less altruistic business practices

Chris Williamson · 10:30
#marketing#culture-war#video-games#advertising
Hot Take57:00

"Funny Is Everything" — Why Offensive Jokes Get a Pass If They Land

Mark lays out his core comedy philosophy: whether a joke is offensive or edgy is irrelevant — the only question that matters is whether it's funny. He also criticizes comedians who lean on trauma (being molested, being a victim of racism) as an easy substitute for actually writing something funny.

  • Mark's litmus test for any joke, offensive or not: is it funny? If not, cut it regardless of edginess
  • Referenced Bill Schulz's answer that no topic is too extreme if the joke is genuinely funny
  • Oscar Wilde line invoked: 'if you're going to tell the truth you better be funny or they'll kill you'
  • Mark criticizes comedians whose whole act leans on trauma disclosure rather than actual joke-writing, arguing the 'hard part' is making the pain funny, not just stating it happened

funny is a is a you know what's that Oscar wild if you're going to tell the truth you better be funny or they'll kill…

Mark Normand · 57:00

anybody get molested that's not an accomplishment... what the hard part is to get in the laugh

Mark Normand · 57:45
#comedy#standup#free-speech
Hot Take52:30

'Bespoke Opinions' — Why Nobody Has a Real Opinion Until You Ask Them

Chris quotes his friend Ginger Bogle's concept of 'bespoke opinions': most people don't actually have a view on a topic until asked, at which point they hastily assemble a position from half-remembered fragments and then treat that improvised opinion as a firmly held belief worth defending.

  • Concept coined by Chris's friend Ginger Bogle, described as a 'digital ghost' who avoids public platforms but writes sharp aphorisms
  • Most people lack a real opinion on a topic until directly prompted for one
  • In that moment they 'cobble together' a viewpoint from vaguely recalled fragments of things they've heard
  • That improvised, minutes-old opinion then gets defended as if it were a longstanding conviction

many people don't have an opinion until they ask for it at which point they Cobble together a Viewpoint from women half remembered hea before…

Chris Williamson · 52:30
#psychology#social-media#opinions#culture

Explainer· 7

Explainer03:30

The 'Digital Blackface' Controversy Explained

Chris reads a CNN article claiming that white people who post GIFs or memes of Black people to express emotion may be guilty of 'digital blackface,' a form of 21st-century minstrelsy. Mark reacts with disbelief, arguing that using diverse reaction GIFs was something he assumed was inclusive, not offensive.

  • CNN article by John Blake defines 'digital blackface' as white people sharing GIFs/memes of Black people (e.g. the 'ain't nobody got time for that' clip, Tyra Banks meme) to express strong emotion
  • The article frames this as a form of contemporary minstrelsy
  • Mark and Chris both find the framing absurd, joking that having to reach this far to find racism is itself a sign society isn't very racist
  • Chris notes Jordan Peterson uses the black emoji, which sparks a tangent on the eggplant emoji and Italian slang

if you're white and you've posted a gift or a meme of a black person to express a strong emotion you may be guilty of…

Chris Williamson · 03:30

I mean I thought I was being inclusive by adding some black people in my memes and my gifts isn't that diverse I'm diversifying my…

Mark Normand · 04:00
#culture-war#race#internet-culture#comedy
Explainer05:30

Concept Creep: Why the Definition of Racism Keeps Expanding

Chris introduces the idea of 'concept creep' — when the demand for finding racism (driven by journalists, activists, and careers built around the topic) outpaces the actual supply of real racism, so the definition has to keep expanding to meet demand. Mark extends the idea with a crack-cocaine analogy: modern accusations of racism are 'stepped on,' diluted versions of the real thing.

  • Concept creep = when demand for a bad thing (racism, bigotry) outstrips its real-world supply, forcing the definition to expand
  • Journalists whose careers depend on writing about racism have incentive to find ever-smaller instances to cover
  • Mark's analogy: real racism (Jim Crow, KKK) is 'pure cut cocaine'; things like digital blackface are diluted, 'stepped on' versions
  • The mechanism explains why obscure, low-stakes incidents get treated as major racism stories

concept creep is when the demand for racism outstrips the supply of racism which means you need to continually make more and more things racist…

Chris Williamson · 05:30

you just you need to open it up a little more to get high because you can't get the crack

Mark Normand · 07:00
#culture-war#race#media#concept-creep
Explainer15:00

Why Online Opinions Never Get Stress-Tested Like Real-World Deeds

Chris shares an idea from a friend: in the modern world, what people say and what they actually do have never been further apart, because unlike in small ancestral communities, nobody's real-world behavior gets checked against their stated values anymore. You can proclaim empathy online and behave terribly at home, and for the most part no one will ever know.

  • In ancestral small-group settings, claimed values (e.g. 'I'm a good hunter who shares meat') were constantly stress-tested by observed behavior
  • On modern social media, stated opinions are never checked against real-world conduct
  • Someone can be the most vocally empathetic person online and be abusive at home, with no correlation ever surfacing
  • This gap is why public 'gotcha' moments (catching someone's deeds contradicting their words) feel so satisfying when they do happen

in the modern world our opinions and our Deeds have never been further apart

Chris Williamson · 15:00

on Twitter no one ever actually ends up scrutinizing the way that you show up in the real world you can be the most empathetic…

Chris Williamson · 15:30
#social-media#psychology#hypocrisy#culture
Explainer54:30

Only 10% of Americans Use Twitter — and a Tiny Fraction of Those Drive All the Outrage

Chris cites statistics showing that only about 10% of Americans have a Twitter account, and within that group, roughly 90-95% of tweets are produced by a small fraction of highly active users. This means the 'discourse' people see online is a wildly unrepresentative sample skewed by a small, possibly personality-selected cohort.

  • Only ~10% of Americans have a Twitter account
  • ~95% of tweets are produced by less than 10-20% of Twitter's own users
  • The overwhelming majority opinion visible online is therefore drawn from a tiny, non-representative slice of people
  • Chris suggests the highly active tweeting cohort likely shares specific personality traits that predispose them to post heavily

only 10% of Americans have a Twitter account so 90% of Americans don't have a Twitter account

Chris Williamson · 54:30

around about 95% of tweets are created by less than 20 or 10% of the users

Chris Williamson · 54:45
#social-media#statistics#twitter#media-literacy
Explainer30:00

Why AI Still Can't Write Real Comedy

Mark argues comedy is one of the professions safest from AI disruption because jokes depend entirely on context, timing, and the comedian's relationship with the audience — things a model can't genuinely feel. He illustrates with a classic dark Holocaust joke from comedian Yannis Pappas ('Junior Stopa') that requires a twisted human perspective AI couldn't replicate, and references an experiment where a comic performed both an AI-written and human-written joke on stage, and the human joke won clearly.

  • Comedy relies on context and lived audience relationship — something Mark argues AI cannot genuinely process
  • A comic performed one AI-written joke and one human-written joke back-to-back on stage; the human joke was far better received
  • Reference to 'darkbot,' an experimental chatbot trained on the dark web rather than the surface web, as a possible future workaround
  • Example joke about the Holocaust from comedian Junior Stopa illustrates the kind of 'twisted' insight AI can't yet replicate
  • Radiology and other pattern-recognition-heavy jobs are named as more AI-vulnerable than comedy

because joke comedy's all context you know and computers can't feel context

Mark Normand · 31:00

the Holocaust actually had a lot of mentally challenged people in it but you never see pictures of them because they're all smiling

Mark Normand · 31:30
#ai#comedy#future-of-work#standup
Explainer86:00

The Westermark Effect: Why We're Not Attracted to People We Grew Up With

Chris explains the Westermark effect: a psychological window (roughly ages 2-12) during which close proximity to another child, especially one who interacts with your parents, triggers automatic sexual repulsion toward them later in life. This explains why biological siblings separated at birth and reunited as adults can feel genuine romantic attraction to each other — the aversion isn't genetic, it's purely about early childhood exposure. It also explains cases of father-daughter attraction when a father is absent during that critical window.

  • The Westermark window runs roughly from age 2 to 12
  • Close childhood proximity to another child creates automatic future sexual repulsion, unrelated to genetics
  • Siblings separated at birth and reunited as adults can experience genuine attraction because they never went through the window together
  • Absentee fathers who reappear later (e.g. when a daughter is 16) can create a similar lack of incest aversion in that relationship
  • Adopted, non-genetically-related siblings raised together can develop full incest aversion despite sharing no DNA

there is a bucket in your mind that that individual goes into that means that you're going to be sexually repulsed by them

Chris Williamson · 86:30

the reason that you have an aversion to it has got nothing to do with your genetics it's everything to do with this Western Mark…

Chris Williamson · 87:00
#psychology#evolutionary-psychology#science
Explainer39:30

Why the NYC Subway Got So Much More Dangerous After the Pandemic

Mark explains why New York's subway has become noticeably riskier: during the pandemic, homeless and mentally ill populations that would normally be dispersed across the city concentrated underground, and riders became a captive audience trapped between stops, escalating from panhandling to outright aggression.

  • Homeless population count 'went way high' after the pandemic as people moved out or stayed indoors, leaving public space more available
  • The subway traps riders between stations, turning them into a captive audience compared to encounters on an open sidewalk
  • Mark: the dynamic escalated from simple panhandling to physical aggression and even people being pushed onto tracks
  • Contrasted with Tokyo and London, where public transit is described as comparatively calm and orderly, partly due to cultural norms

the hobo count went up way high after the pandemic ... now they're on the subway I can get money out of them but now…

Mark Normand · 40:30
#nyc#public-safety#homelessness#culture

Story· 4

Story56:30

Mark Normand's New Netflix Special Got Zero Notes

Mark reveals his new Netflix special, out July 25th, includes edgy material on the Holocaust and trans topics without a single note or cut request from the network. He was genuinely surprised, suggesting either standards are loosening or Netflix has decided controversial content generates valuable attention regardless.

  • Special releases July 25th on Netflix
  • Mark says Netflix let him keep everything, including Holocaust and trans-related jokes, with no notes
  • He speculates the shift might be due to 'any press is good press' economics for the network
  • Every joke in the set reportedly still gets a laugh despite the edgy material

it comes out July 25th on Netflix and they let me say everything they I mean I really go hard I was shocked at no…

Mark Normand · 56:30
#comedy#netflix#censorship#standup
Story58:00

One Joke About Andrew Tate Cost a YouTuber His Sponsors in 24 Hours

Mark tells the story of UK YouTuber Brian 'True Geordie' Jordi, who joked that Andrew Tate should prove his conversion to Islam by 'blowing himself up.' Within 24 hours, Myprotein, Gymshark, and PokerStars all dropped him and Twitch banned him — illustrating how quickly consequences can hit even for an obviously satirical joke about a widely disliked figure.

  • Joke: Andrew Tate should 'prove' his Islam conversion by blowing himself up — a play on well-known extremist tropes, not a literal statement
  • Andrew Tate himself reportedly recognized it as an obvious misdirect/joke
  • Within 24 hours: Myprotein, Gymshark, and PokerStars dropped their sponsorship, and Twitch banned the channel
  • Mark rejects the 'he'll be fine, he's rich' defense, arguing financial security doesn't erase the real reputational and status damage

he should prove it to us all by blowing himself up that's a good line that's a good joke

Mark Normand · 59:00

my protein dropped him jimm shark dropped him Poké Stars dropped him and he was banned on Twitch

Mark Normand · 59:15
#cancel-culture#comedy#internet-culture#sponsorship
Story47:30

Prince Harry's Failed Bid to Pay for His Own Police Protection

Chris relays a news story about Prince Harry losing a legal challenge to personally pay for police protection when visiting the UK, after losing his automatic royal security. Home Office lawyers opposed letting wealthy individuals buy police services, which sparks a wider discussion about UK attitudes toward private payment for public services like healthcare.

  • Harry lost royal security after stepping back from royal duties and wanted to pay privately for police protection during UK visits
  • A judge ruled against allowing the arrangement; Home Office lawyers opposed letting wealthy people buy police services
  • Chris connects this to broader UK discomfort with private payment for public services, citing how UK residents often won't consider private healthcare despite NHS wait times, even though they'll happily pay for their dog's insurance
  • Framed as part of a wider British cultural aversion to visible wealth and 'queue jumping' public services

his lawyers Wanted jurisdictional review of the rejection of his offer to pay for protection in the UK a judge ruled not to give the…

Chris Williamson · 47:30
#uk-culture#news#royals#public-services
Story78:00

Why 'Got Milk?' Worked and Bud Light's Campaign Didn't

Mark contrasts the iconic 'Got Milk?' campaign, which reversed declining milk sales and became a cultural phenomenon through pure entertainment value, with Bud Light's Dylan Mulvaney partnership, which tanked sales and triggered a boycott. He argues both were big creative swings, but one succeeded because it was simply entertaining while the other got tangled in culture-war politics.

  • 'Got Milk?' reversed a long decline in US milk consumption purely through a memorable, funny ad concept, unconnected to any political message
  • Bud Light's Dylan Mulvaney campaign, by contrast, triggered major backlash and a reported 23% year-over-year sales drop
  • Mark frames both as big marketing 'swings' — sometimes they pay off spectacularly, sometimes they backfire badly
  • Bud Light reportedly agreed to buy back unsold, expired inventory from retailers following the fallout

got milk was this one ad ... milk skyrocketed it went through the roof and it changed everything milk stocks had never been higher

Mark Normand · 80:45

it's so crazy it might just work so I think you take a shot every now and then that's kind of fun

Mark Normand · 81:30
#marketing#advertising#bud-light#case-study

Tool· 1

Tool21:30

The 'White Pill': A Book Recommendation on History's Darkest Chapters

Chris recommends Michael Malice's book 'The White Pill,' which chronicles the horrors of Soviet communism from roughly 1910-1990 — famine, terror, mistreatment of children — arguing it functions as evidence that even the worst period imaginable eventually resolved in favor of the 'good guys,' offering a long-term antidote to cynicism even though it can take decades to play out.

  • Book: 'The White Pill' by Michael Malice, covering Soviet Russia roughly 1910-1990
  • Focuses on the depths of Communist-era famine, terror, and child mistreatment
  • Central argument: history shows that even the most catastrophic evil eventually loses, offering long-term hope against cynicism
  • Caveat raised by Mark: the resolution took ~90 years, which is cold comfort if you're living through the bad part now

his point was we thought that this was the worst that the world could ever ever get

Chris Williamson · 21:45

the good guys won so his argument it was called the white pill the book

Chris Williamson · 22:00
#books#history#communism#hope

Takeaway· 1

Takeaway92:30

"Charm Is Makeup for Men"

Mark revisits a line he's said before — that charm functions for men the way makeup functions for women: a form of effortful presentation people put on for others and take off when alone. He connects this to why people, himself included, avoid being 'on' right after a long trip or one-night stand, needing private downtime before performing charm again.

  • Charm is described as the male equivalent of makeup — an effortful mask put on for others
  • Mark avoids seeing his wife immediately after flights, needing time to 'decompress' before being charming again
  • The comparison extends to why people want a one-night-stand partner to leave — being 'on' is exhausting
  • Both charm and makeup are framed as forms of socially necessary performance rather than authentic default states

didn't you once say that charm is makeup for men

Chris Williamson · 92:30

yes wow good memory well done

Mark Normand · 92:35
#relationships#dating#takeaway#personality